S 1 EP46TV-14 = Requires a cable provider login. I'm fairly sure that Goku strategy was always not going straight full power at the beginning of the fight, so he could learn the enemies moves and real power. Goku is simply too powerful. The other sayains include gohan, broly, future trunks(no spirit sword power), ssj3 gotenks, ssj2 kefla, and cabba. So Goku Black being an 8 would be enough to do, what we've seen. So even if Superman is on top of the fight, he would be wise to end it quickly because if Vegeta … 4 years ago. This is really why I don't like DBZ debates at all. A crippled Goku could kill Naruto and Sasuke without even trying. Source(s): Seen all of DBZ and rad every naruto manga chapter. 6 years ago. Given the fact that the fight was pretty evenly matched, even though Vegeta was blood lusted and amped by babidi, he also makes mention of how before the amp he realized Goku in his SS2 state was stronger then he was, 13.20 into the vid. I don't think Ultimate is that far ahead. You have this God Goku crap that goes on that makes it pointless.How did Goku come out on top in that fight. There is no minimum PL you have to reach in order to transform. No matter how strong the opponent may or may not be, Vegeta and Goku are always willing to flex their muscles in the hope to get stronger. Whereas you think it was Toriyama' intend to show that Vegeta is now stronger than Goku or not, you dont have any proof of that, while there is plenty of Goku still being the stronger one. It's not really unfair that Vegeta had his tail. That logic actually ties into the Spirit Bomb fairly well. So that's probably why he was able to achieve SSJ3 while Vegeta couldn't. Vegeta obliterates mountains with relative ease in the Frieza … I dunno. goku 4 sure, even tho vegeta fights dirty, he loses control way to easy, goku gets even more powered up at the prospect of a challange. I wouldn't call saiyan saga round 3 an FFA. While vegeta always rely on his raw talent until goku came, where he push his body to the limit. Just because Goku is a super saiyan 3 does not mean he is 4 times stronger than super saiyan 2 Vegeta. However, it is unfair to have outside help in a one on one match which is exactly what Goku had. Goku was named Kakarot at birth. Couldn't have said it better myself. No one has ever exactly 'prepped' in DBZ. Especially if his friends, family, or his adopted planet of Earth is in danger. I know this fight is only taking them as they were at the end of Z, but in BotG, Vegeta showed a clear superiority over Goku. If I had to choose, I choose goku, just better showing overall, since most of his fight does not involved him getting his ass kicked. Evidence, Susano-Can be breached with enough force it is not impenetrable shown by the 1st Hokage vs Madara who sheathed his Susano around the 9 tails and the 1st cracked it open with a Sage Mode infused Wood Style attack. Vegeta took a punch for the face from bills, when ss3 goku did not. Goku vs. VS. ... Who Would Win? I think you have a completely different view on what's unfair. Vegeta 'technically' won it since Goku ended up knocked out in the end. 1st time: Vegeta clearly would have legitimately beat Goku….had it not been for Yajirobe cutting off his tail, or Gohan and Krillen messing around with the spirit bomb. I can't recall anyone, besides human or extremely weak enemies, that Goku has held back on, especially when he was in danger of losing…as he was against Bills. 7 years ago. But anyone is more intelligent than Goku outside of battle. SSJ2 Post Zeta Gohan>=SSJ2 Goku(this one is iffy but most likely Gohan), yea ure right. The most modern version of the characters apply. Goku uses Instant Transmission to constantly teleport around Duplicate Vegeta and lands an attack on him, and starts turning the battle in his favor. @darthaznable: This is Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku I'm talking about. According to your logic every fight in DBZ is unfair, and now every victory is lessened. Will the favorite son of Krypton, Superman (Repped by James) find the strength of an Octillion Megaton blast is enough to defeat the Super Saiyan Goku (Repped by Ray) or will the favorite son of the planet Vegeta win … It's already been established early about Goku. The Duplicate Vegeta! Vegeta has decades of real combat experience vs Sauske and has dealt with a vast variety of special abilities as evidence in Saiyan Saga when he mentions he had seen something similar to the Kaioken attack used by Goku. Beerus 3. Goku vs Majin Vegeta: Stalemate. While I would agree with you on this point, I feel the need to point out that the trainer Vegeta "wouldn't go to" taught Goku a technique that allowed Goku to overpower and defeat him with: namely the Kaioken. Jiren no diff'd Goku and Vegeta at literally their very best at the same time(pre UI), while massively holding back. So has had more time to train. Robert M. 1 decade ago. Comparing 'SSJ2' to SSJ3 is out of the question to even argue about Vegeta suppose superiority on BotG (which isnt even cannon), when the rest of the sayans (including Vegeta) choose Goku to become the SSG anyway. RELATED: Ultra Instinct Goku Vs Darkseid: Who Would Win? I would say in a even match, if one of the two individuals was amped and had more motivation to win the fight than that individual would be considered to have been on the losing end of the fight, Not exactly sure how Goku was amped, I certainly wouldn't consider being dead a amp, I don't believe it increases your power any, but we can both agree that Vegeta was and if Spopovich and Yamu are any indication, it was quite the amp. It was a joke. Vegeta Wins. But that transformation showed him really exhausted and worn out. Vegeta easily. Gohan at the end is just wasted potential...GT made him and Trunks the biggest jokes. The most talked about VS battle of all time finally gets its day in the sun on this show. Now I would say that at most Goku and Vegeta are at 7.5. Who would win a team vs team battle. Not even close. It just seems like Vegeta is truly the more powerful hero…Goku is just the protagonist. Vegeta didn't achieve SSJ3 because the ki soak of that form is too much for the body in the human world. Press question mark to learn … I'm pretty sure his ki wasn't used as fast, or was used differently since he was dead. 150 x 50 = 7500. Vegeta - Height: 5″6 Weight: 123 lbs Noticeable Features: Large, Spikey, and Black Widows Peak Hair, Muscular, Battle Armor. Please enter your email address. As for the first fight during the Saiyan Saga.....that was the closest Vegeta has ever come IMO. But even that wasn't on fair grounds really, since Vegeta still had his tail while Goku didn't. And when the fight starts, is Vegeta rooting for…his clone?! Goku just has too many ways to deal with Vegeta. A single Kamehameha would not defeat Wolverine as he's been blasted by … It's a part of his power set, like a transformation into a super saiyan. Epic tag team. Everyone seems to forget that Goku is also a genius at battle strategy. 40.48% (68 votes) 68. Be it his family or training, Vegeta never takes things lightheartedly. How not? Vegeta didnt even look SSJ2 (although Goku didnt had any lightning when he transformed into SSJ2 as well, so is arguable). That being said, I think Super Vegeta > Super Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta >= SSJ2 Goku but that is highly debateable. Goku spent a very long time in SSJ so I believe he could be better at energy conservation and is able to use it to its full extent more effectively. In any case, the form increases the user's power 4 fold and that's more than the Super Saiyan 2 form does. @galvador: Whatever.Ultimate Gohan severely outclasses SSJ3 Goku. He could turn into a Great Ape whereas Goku was unable to because his tail was taken away. It's irrelevant either way, since we are talking the end of DBZ not BotG. Lv 7. He would do anything to win. During Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku’s duel, Geets makes a comment that Goku … Little off topic but Gohan is most likely stronger than goku. When Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta, Goku survived as he was being sent to Earth. I think the only difference between them is their attitude. That's actually the exact reason unless i'm completely mistaken. Equal power Goku has better technique and Vegeta is more tactical. And that was more than enough to give him the edge. Every form Vegeta achieved, Goku also achieved it as well. And, I don't know if you know or not, but (apparently) Toriyama was not a big fan of the multipliers or power levels beyond the end of the namek saga. In what way is Vegeta more "skilled" than Goku? Speaking on that, he even wanted to end the series after namek but was compelled by fans, and bosses alike to continue on. Comparing their KI techniques is pointless, because they are both did very well techniques at their way. As Vegeta begins to disappear, Goku faces the duplicate Vegeta! Bills assumed that this Saiyan must be the SSG and so he traveled to King Kais planet to fight him. Goku begins his battle to the death with Duplicate Vegeta, and they turn out to be evenly matched. I think Vegeta has more to lose and would most likely fight to his death before letting Goku win again. Whis 2. 'Masked Singer' Dragon is 11-time Grammy nominee. In the manga, Kakarot was born on Planet Vegeta three years before its destruction, while in the anime Goku was born shortly before the destruction of the planet. After BOG, Goku was said to be a 6 to Beerus's 10. And he had been training since he was born, destroying planets and working for freeza. I've always seen Goku as a combative genius. Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta, however, put up a pretty impressive fight against Bills. And, I don't think Goku even came out on top. Ok, but i'm still not getting how that really counts as prep. Close. Like Goku, his arduous training regimen has allowed him to transform into more powerful Super Saiyan forms, particularly his Super Saiyan Blue … No spirit fusion. and Vegeta didn't. 1. Now, in regards to the fight with Bills, Super Saiyan 3 is simply much more powerful than a Super Saiyan 2 can ever be. While Goku usually takes things for granted, Vegeta is someone who takes everything seriously. Well, if Vegeta was "outclassing" Goku, then why everybody decided to power Goku up to SSG levels to stop Bills from destroying the whole planet? During an invention award show, a robot girl crashes the party. It's collecting the energy from the surrounding life force and it's also really powerful. Who would (WIN) jiren (FULL POWERD) & vegeta (ULTRA BLUE)vs goku (ULTRA INSTINCT) & broly (FULL POWERD) Who would (WIN) jiren (FULL POWERD) & vegeta (ULTRA BLUE)vs goku (ULTRA INSTINCT) & broly (FULL POWERD) Created by Deathstroke4U, 1 y 8 mo 28 d ago. And, I don't think Goku even came out on top. Kid vegeta can already handle five saibamens with no difficulty. Assuming that he wasn't fighting at %100 or close to it, why would Goku continue to let himself be outclassed when he had more power at his disposal? It never told about which one is preferred by Vegeta, but with his higher initial PL, he probably learned how to fly very soon, so fighting only on ground would be a little restriction to him. Regardless, Goku and Vegeta's power is equalized for this fight. Vegeta was the one who fled the planet. To the people debating about vegeta and goku at the end of the buu saga did vegeta not get a boost before the final fight due to dying? Bills got "preparation" to face Goku SSJ3 and like I said, it was a demonstrative fight. 60%? Now that all continuities became 1 who would win Goku starts in MUI Flash starts at top speed If it’s a stomp in anybody’s favor goku gets vegeta … Press J to jump to the feed. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Inconsistencies, If only I actually knew how to do links here :(. Second, he will go for the kill immediately while Goku will job around first. It's not unfair to be better or stronger than you're opponent. It all depends on transformations but I could be wrong. If they were to fight at base, I believe Goku could win. Ok, in SSJ2 Vegeta vs SSJ2 Goku, Goku got put down by Vegeta. 7.1 Fight! He's already more skilled than Vegeta, in my opinion, but he'll also be reading Vegeta like a book and countering his every move midway through the battle. It’s the Super Saiyan vs the Dark Knight!! Goku would win because while they both use their emotions to guide them in battle, Vegeta lets his emotions get in the way too often. Speaking on that, he even wanted to end the series after namek but was compelled by fans, and bosses alike to continue on. I have to assume Goku has had more combat training and experience, even if only a little. Goku still has IT and is a better martial artist. Goku always has help, as he does in all his fights. Goku was done, beat and couldn’t move at all to fight. The Saiyan warriors in the Dragon Ball Universe are always up for a fight and that's down to their heritage. Super Saiyan 3 Goku was destroyed by Bills, and needed (help) to go Super Saiyan god. Lost your password? A Super Saiyan 3 Goku was completely outclassed and toyed with by Bills. Your points would have more merit were it not for the fact that in the ordinary Super Saiyan forms, Goku and Vegeta are roughly equals in power during the Buu saga. But, whatever, that's just my take. in Buu saga Vegeta admits he is better than him. he wouldn't even need Vegeta. Trunks killed Frieza with his sword, that's unfair16,17, and 18 were androids, now every fight they won is unfair. I really want to see Vegeta winning this but as russellmania77 said "Vegeta's soul purpose is to lose to goku" it pretty much so. Honestly, I don't know who decided to ask this question, but I'll answer it anyway. Goku has always been way ahead of Vegeta right from the start mind you it would be a great grueling battle. However Goku is a genius in fighting and will observe and adapt during the entire Fight. 4 days ago. If they are even is power level and such, Vegeta should win. RELATED: ... 5 NEEDED HELP: Goku Vs Vegeta. He will always beat the villain. Ever since King Kai, Goku has had superior training. We believe that since Vegeta (eventually) managed to defeat 'God of Destruction' Toppo, it shouldn't be impossible for him to win a battle vs. 'God of Destruction' Beerus, either. 'Dragon Ball' Reveals Who Would Win a Gogeta vs. Vegito Fight. He also seems to be better at energy conservation, as he was the first to discover the Full Power Super Saiyan form. Season 1. in Dragonball Z, fights lost their technicity, they become more a race of power, strength and speed, the element of surprise and new techniques was lost and no more used. And yes, it is an unfair advantage. (Manga) Frieza was completely stomped by Goku after he turned Super Saiyan, now it's unfair. @limilicious: I think it was linked to his time limit or some such, he didn't go SSJ 3 cause otherwise he would have ran out of time...or something. Were it not for Vegeta's greater power level and his Great Ape transformation (impossible to emulate) in the Saiyan Saga, I have to believe Goku would've beaten him in their first encounter. Naruto enacts his Sage Mode and sends various shadow clones running at Goku with each clone holding a Rasengan. Equal power levels, no 'funny' business... @cybrilious4: Vegeta definitely outmatches Goku in terms of Ki versatility. How so? Setting: Namek saga during Freeza's second form battle with Gohan. 1.guys supporting vegeta must be blind and missguided..vegeta might have been in a lot more fights but goku is lot more wiser..vegeta has no tactic he just jumps in and gets beaten(vs cell, vs frieza), 2.goku is and always have been a lot stronger than vegeta(he was a ssj3 when he fought against majin vegeta, he just didnt transform to hurt the little bitches pride), 3.goku is the protagonist(no way in hell someone is stronger than him). Gohan's not even close to the strongest. 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