Gohan was injured prior to their match-up after trying to save Vegeta. DBZ was originally going to end after the CELL saga, SSJ2 Gohan was supposed the be the end of the line and stronger than everyone. re: SSJ2 Majin Vegeta VS SSJ2 Kid Gohan + Super Perfect Cell The gap between majin vegeta and teen gohan is not that big. This makes the most sense to me, since something like this would explain how a Full Power Perfect Cell(12) would get wrecked by SS2 Gohan(20). Ssj2 is an 100x boost so simple math would put cell above Gohan plus the zenkai he got from blowing himself up. The moment Goku helped his son the emotional support was able to fill Gohan with enough power to finish cell off. No other aura in dbz has lightning besides ssj2 and ssj3. The terms are: BoG(Battle of Gods), ResF(Resurrection F), GE (God Essence), SPC (Super Perfect Cell). Edit: On another note, I'd love to see your notes on PLs throughout the series up until this point. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. The list is HUGE and there's a lot of terminology, so I will only give a short snippet of what I have, just everything going up to the battle with Golden Frieza. We know him going all out would not have endangered the planet since we've seen much higher power levels fighting on Earth but that's not really worth discussion here. I don't believe there is an additional boost beyond that. He was also distraught from having Goku (and Trunks) die. So we know Gohan at full health was holding back to protect the planet. A necessary plot device to make the fight interesting as otherwise it would be a one-sided affair. Adjust for transformation from first form and assuming at BARE minimum First Form Frieza is as strong as Tagoma, we can assume this level of power is similar to Ultimate Gohan. If its SSJ2 Gohan after he trains with the Kais then he stomps easily. Gohan beat him when he was already injured. I think Goku actually thought that he had taught Gohan to unleash it and that was why he was so eager to just let Gohan take care of it. Personally, I believe that an SS2 Goku would beat Perfect Cell after a good fight, but he would lose to Super Perfect Cell. Since he was at half strength was it so much that it put him over his power level at full health? The killing blow, so to speak, wasn't so much that it made finishing Cell child's play but was enough to tip the balance and obliterate him completely. Seen it tons of times and I feel like that was Goku's big goal in the hyperbolic time chamber - teach Gohan to actually use that since it was such a huge well of power. When Cell came back stronger, he also came back at 100% energy/stamina. If it was more than half his original power again and that's what it took to beat SPC - we can predict that full health Gohan may not have a chance against SPC without others around to push him into unlock-mode. I see no reason to doubt them in this regard. That being said, even a casual blast could do a lot if Gohan was arrogant enough to think he could just tank it or outspeed it. Half-health Gohan was slightly less powerful than SPC at least as far as Ki goes but enough to not get instantly vaporized. 1 - Gohan thinks he knows how powerful he is and I'd say that's pretty reliable but does not account for the 'boost' since he doesn't seem to really have a lot of belief in his ability to unlocks it. I watched the entire video. Goku was able to bring out more power out of Gohan because he was holding back, either because he was trying to protect the planet or because he was not enraged. Full health Gohan, injured half health Gohan, and injured half health Gohan + "boost"...that's just what I've always called it in any of the cases where Goku or some other action forces Gohan to go above his own perceived power. SSJ2 Gohan is leagues ahead of Super Perfect Cell in raw strength and pure power . I'm going to go against the grain and say...I really don't think so. Agreed. âNormalâ Perfect Cell fought to a near standstill with SSJ Goku, with a bit of an upper hand. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It's one thing to want to kill your opponent but another thing entirely to ACTUALLY be ready to kill. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. So, to put it basically; Gohan, despite being demoralized from the deaths of Goku and Trunks, losing the use of his arm AND having very little chi left, still managed to defeat Cell. I'm constantly trying to improve this list, looking for more accurate ways to determine the ranges. The beam struggle ends up being the best way to win. When Cell came back stronger, he also came back at 100% energy/stamina. My big question has always been how much power did that unlock-able boost actually give him? So, determine all the possible answers for Gotenks power and you have your answer. In any case, hopefully you'll enjoy it. While Gohan just intercepted a blast that would have killed Vegeta. Full Power SS1 Gohan - 10. IMO Yes. There are no other senzu beans and Gohan has no fatigue or injuries. Or was it somewhere in between? - Sep 19, 12 Gohan had already used up a decent amount of chi in his fight against Cell. I DO NOT OWN DRAGONBALL. Perfect Cell: 900,000,000 (stated in a Daizenshuu that his power is over 900,000,000. This clearly indicates that Gohan was not just slightly more powerful, but so much more powerful that his attack destroyed every single cell of his body. Though it was channeled attack, I think this is proof enough that even small attacks can be very powerful. During the Cell Games, young Son Gohan witnessed the death of a soft-spoken, gentle android known as No. This would suggest Cell is at an even 100 with no additional boosts. Gohan seems to value his life less than his family and friends and as a result I don't feel like he would ever have the opportunity to unlock his rage and get the boost effect. If ⦠I always believed Dabura's power was somewhat close to Super Perfect Cell, but not as strong. He messed up with 2 points though. Let's also consider that Gohan has this untapped amount of power that he's always never been able to use at will. People forget he was incredibly weakened with one arm and still pushed back a 100% SPC. And good point on the Death Beam, it didn't focus Goku in the slightest when he tanked it in their fight. I agree with this as he overpowered all the Z fighters except for Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. I think Cell attained ssj2 when he came back due to his aura. If he was only a little more powerful, it would have likely just injured cell, not obliterated him. There are 5 possible avenues for Gotenks strength: Equal to Super Saiyan 3: x400 Equal to Goten Plus Trunks Base Form: x2 (x800 in SS3) Equal to SS Goten Plus SS Trunks: x100 (x40,000 in SS3) Using Dragonball GT Guide on Gogeta, Fusion Dance is dozens of times stronger. The attack Cell used was definitely not a particularly powerful one. Additionally, I believe SPC was incredibly confident (as always) and basking in his new found power. Cell could easily IT somewhere else quickly and destroy the planet, killing Gohan. S+ refers to SS Goten + SS Trunks. In a word; yes. Dragon ball tends to hint at ability through aura alot and an aura's details can tell alot about a character or a form. 'Super' Perfect Cell : 90 SSJ2 Teen Gohan : 75 Full Power Perfect Cell : 60 Cell has no shot against Vegeta or Goku, they're the most skilled fighters in the DBZ universe. The only Zenkai increase we have seen that would rival SPC's apparent Zenkai increase would be Goku's after the fight with Ginyu. While Gohan just intercepted a blast that would have killed Vegeta. Putting into sheer power alone, Gohan would have to be significantly stronger in order to make it an easy fight, but given how close the battle was when he was injured, the gap is certainly far closer than we think. The only time we actually have a legitimate measurement was wayyyy back to when Raditz visited Earth. As for the PLs, I do indeed have a distinctive list for everyone, including the DB Super fighters (though most are assumptions). This shows that at the very least, he was in the same ball-park as Gohan's strength. To put things into perspective, I'll only give a short list for Goku's power levels and a snapshot of how I got them. While Gohan may have the power in edge, his personality and lack of experience are a serious disadvantage that would tip the battle against him. First is that Gohan couldn't unlock that bonus boost at will. Gohan goes SSJ2 again with no effort and displays no fear or lack of confidence in his ability to destroy Cell. So you've got a few different phases of Gohan worth talking about in this fight. I know what Piccolo said, he said Majin SSJ2 Vegeta isn't hugely stronger than SSj2 Kid Gohan (Vs Cell). Before, Cell stood no chance obviously. Here is the evidence (from the anime and manga) to consider in this fight: SS2 Gohan was certainly stronger than Perfect Cell, this is unquestioned. Gohan, fully healed and with both arms still stomps Super Perfect Cell imo, the gap is just too big imo. The attack that was used to kill Vegeta but was intercepted by Gohan looked casual but was enough to injured Gohan severely. This is certainly possible. Gohan beat him when he was already injured. The answer is SSJ2 Gohan given how Super Perfect Cell couldn't even tank a Kamehameha from a weakened SSJ2 Gohan. He EFFORTLESSLY beat perfect cell, and while it might have been closer, I still think Gohan takes it pretty damn handily, which, IMO, is why Toriyama had to use that plot device to get rid of one of Gohans arms, another stomp would have been boring as fuck. Cell also displayed a ssj1 aura earlier in the show as well. Find out how strong Piccolo, Goten and Trunks, and Super Buu are together and you have your answer. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! That's the kind of thing I mean. And yes, I love the connection to the auras. This gives us an assumption of 'boosted' half-health Gohan as a bit less than full health Gohan or as much as full health Gohan at best. Vegetaâs blast only distracted Cell enough for Gohan to gain his confidence and get some momentum going. SSJ2 Gohan is leagues ahead of Super Perfect Cell in raw strength and pure power . I enjoy the challenge though. Hell, the fact that he even held Cell out for that long, shows that half of Gohan's strength was almost as much as Cell going all out. Honestly, ANY SSJ2 should beat Super Perfect Cell. This. Then his friends got blown away, he was the last stand of protecting the Earth, and Goku was yelling at him that he NEEDED to get that power out. Not much though or he wouldn't have held up as well in the beam struggle. Goku was able to stand toe to toe against Cell but was easily destroyed by Broly) The scouter read Gohan with a 710 power level. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. SSJ2 Gohan DID defeat Super Perfect Cell with his full power. A good point. It came down to the kamehameha struggle as a last effort. No one has mentioned how Gohan behaves just before Vegeta charges Cell. A beam struggle was really the best way to win as it negates all skill in favor of a contest of brute force, which Gohan would have a slight advantage in. If Gohan was truly at half strength when doing the beam struggle, this would suggest in a fair fight he'd have no trouble. But I'll give my 2 cents anyway... IMO Yes. Then he lost 18's strength. Then he blew himself up and returned, gaining a zenkai boost. With that in mind, just because SSJ2 Gohan exercised with a heavy weapon I don't think his strength increased by much. Indeed, I agree with this assessment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15778Vv0Bg. Gohan has a smile on his face and is like "Fuck ya motherfucker we didnt get to finish our fight, i didnt get to finish laying the smackdown on you, but your back so now I can resume kicking your ass." It's highly suggested that Gohan might have lost had Vegeta not distracted Cell. Cell was very confident in his victory, but so was Gohan prior to the fight. For example, the Gohan losing half his power/Vegeta weakening cell theory thing the guy endorses seems overly complex. I submit that Gohan simply had more power available to him, though they were almost completely even. And, this is a handicap match meaning cell won't just stand there. Gohan raged with Goku's help and boosted to defeat SPC - I feel like it is reasonable to assume a 2x power boost from his current power level which was probably lower than half as he was injured as well as fatigued since when he claimed to be at about half his total power. In the anime this is explored further of course, but in the manga it's far too short to know for sure. Half power Gohan was absolutely nothing to a Cell who wasn't even serious. Gohan was able to hold in a beam struggle with Cell with one arm for ⦠SSJ2 Gohan destroyed ânormalâ Perfect Cell, so in conclusion, Super Perfect Cell is significantly stronger. My honest opinion is that Gohan would still dominate SPC. There's no official guide to tell us how strong Piccolo has become after the Cell arc. In truth, while Gohan did indeed defeat Cell in the story, there were many factors at play. We can assume that his 100% full health would be enough, but only by a little bit but Gohan still isn't mentally prepared to straight up kill someone yet. SSj2 Majin Vegeta > SSj2 Kid Gohan (Rage) >> SSj2 Kid Gohan (Normal). A drop in the bucket at the SSJ2 stage. PFM18 , Apr 24, 2019 And everything with SPC assumes that Piccolo is slightly weaker. He stated he was at half power after this. I refuse to believe Half-power Gohan>Super Perfect Cell, especially when Cell was able to damage Gohan as much as he did when Gohan was at FP, and SSJ2 is supposed to be only a 2x multiplier itself. It's safe to assume that he is or should be stronger. You are indeed where you belong. Also, I did watch the video and it seemed like one of the points being argued was that the attack that Gohan jumped in front of for Vegeta was strong enough to immobilize Gohan, therefore Cell is "proven" to be stronger. I feel Gohan wasn't ready to actually kill. It changes how strong Piccolo is measured. If he had time to raise his Ki then I argue that he wouldn't have been hurt. Piccolo later says Majin Vegeta was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan when he fought Super Perfect Cell. In any case, here are the current power levels and multipliers I have for each of Goku's current forms and possible ranges. As for Cell's composure and personality, I do agree that Cell most certainly wanted to break Gohan's spirit, as was his cruel nature. I won't go into the details, but ultimately this is why I need to know where Super Perfect Cell falls. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I have to say that appreciate someone giving this more thought, but found that it didn't make alot of sense. SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 100 "The Old Benchmark" SSJ2 Vegeta: 80 Super Perfect Cell: 80 SSJ2 Teen Gohan: 66.6 SSJ Majin Vegeta: 55 FP Perfect Cell: 40 SSJ Vegeta: 40 Dabura: 38 SSJ Kid/Teen Gohan: 33.3 Cell Games Gohan was constantly used as a benchmark early Buu Arc by Piccolo and Vegeta. Gohan would have to finish Cell off quickly before fatigue sets in to have a chance. The categories are mostly separated based on alternate calculations using the 5 ways to calculate Gotenks I mentioned above: Blank means equal to SS3, the bare minimum. You then transfer this to each fighter being compared and then apply necessary multipliers. However, Gohan was injured and he was holding back, per Goku. I also believe that while the attack meant to kill Vegeta LOOKED casual, it was a very devastating blow. The only thing I wonder is if Gohan was actually at half power considering how much power Goku was able to coach out of him, but you make a solid point. If they were both at full power/stamina. Lastly we have seen cell go all out in earlier fights and his composure when he goes all out is not the same as his rematch with Gohan. Boy, Super must give you an aneurysm then. Honestly, ANY SSJ2 should beat Super Perfect Cell. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. The main question to answer this one is⦠how strong is Dragonball Super's Piccolo? If I am not mistaken, Gohan blew Cell to death after having lost a good deal of energy AND one arm effectively immobilized. Indeed it does. Goku increased by several million PL during that Zenkai. He did eventually, after a little encouragement from Goku, muster up the chi to create his own Kamehameha. Yes, people still debate that. Similar to Frieza's laser beam, this puts doubt that this attack was in fact a casual blast. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. Ssj2 goku plus seven years of training(we all know how hard goku trains) would be a stomp. My reasoning would probably be because of their auras. When Gohan jumped in front of the blast he wasn't defending or bracing himself. If he had been fighting with that level of strength from the beginning and wasn't held back at all, I think it was very possible that Gohan could have won a true fight. So we really need to know how much the boost was. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. He was also distraught from having Goku (and Trunks) die. The NEW base form for Goku was even with Frieza's new Final Form. Gohan believes he's at half power. 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