Goku was thinking that the potara and fusion dance was the same thing power wise, that's when he asked if he needs ssj , he's basing it off of the fusion dance, And I know what elder kaioshin was talking about, 3. After defeating him you get Gogetas Capsule and Omega Shenron will show up. SSJ3 Goku was holding his own against SSJ3 Buu. So his max power is far weaker than Goku. SSJ3 is quite a multiplier (8x more powerful than a SSJ using the numbers in the SEG). Hes definitely stronger than Super Buu since Goku suggested to Vegeta that they perform the fusion dance inside Buu. \r\rTwitter: \r\r\rThumbnail:\r\rGogeta: Stomping Janemba isn't an impressive feat,considering that,until the monster created the sword,there wasn't a clear winner in his skirmish with Goku,i mean maybe in the long run Janemba would win (h2h,no magic like he used in the movie)...but it wasn't a stomp in anyway whatsoever. SuperBoo would one-shot Goku Ssj3,so the claims that Janemba is at that level are ludicrous, Gogeta Ssj >>>Janemba>Goku Ssj3...yeah,nothing that Gotenks Ssj2 couldn't achieve (Gotenks Ssj post RoSaT would fair a lot better than Ssj3 Goku,i dare to say even take some hard wins). @dbzk1999: Base strength? Exact same power level? Most likely Gogeta would ignore them and focus on the fight at hand, because if Gotenks and Gogeta exist at the same time it means you needed their power for a huge fight. 1 Attack Dialogues 1.1 Special Moves 1.2 Super Attacks 1.3 Meteor Attacks 2 Match Dialogues 2.1 Sparking 2.2 Team Dialogues 2.3 Match Reset 2.4 Shenron 3 Miscellaneous Dialogues 3.1 Character Selection 3.2 Intro 3.3 Victory 3.4 Defeat 3.5 Results Screen 4 Navigation An asterisk (*) means there's two different lines associated with that character. Gogeta's new traits in Broly were a result of Akira Toriyama's attempt at adding him into the \"Dragon Ball canon\". Buu is stronger than Janemba, but not by that much. So the gap between them is laughably huge. A Dramatic Finish is a special finishing animation in Dragon Ball FighterZ. @spyrite: Buu's Power level is much higher than Gogeta's. Where was it ever stated that the Potara is stronger than the fusion dance? I would assume a guy who can fodderize a demon who is above SSJ3 can wipe the floor with a being who was being held off by SSJ3. Goku tells piccolo at the look at that he and Vegeta were evenly matched(as super saiyan 2s. Ki Blast. re: Gogeta & Gotenks quote Super Saiyan Goku Gogita, definetely, although Vegito was the character I prefered and used the most, I wasn't too impressed with most of the characters. Hence, Gogeta beats Buutenks. The Majin Charm and the Old Kai's ritual are different. However, I do think Buutenks had him more outmatched. No DBZ Fusion Reborn viewers here I guess.Gogeta 1 shots with Stardust Breaker and turns Buu into Uub gg.Also Gogeta is way faster with his attacks so yeah.. @nickzambuto: @spyrite: Speed is nice, but Buu is just flatout more powerful than Gogeta and Janemba. He needed SSJ to ensure his superiority. The dance is a special type of fusion ability, a connection through the fusees' fingers. Xeno Gogeta's appearance is identical to his main counterpart's. Also, he appears to take after Xeno Goten's hair, having shorter hair, tilted to the right, as oppose… @dbzk1999: I personally don't think they're equal even in base form. But... why? Gotenks is the Metamoran fusion of Goten and Trunks, formed to defeat Majin Buu.. Again, Goku by himself was able to survive against both Buutenks and Janemba, although ultimately they each had him outmatched. Gotenks is a character that likes to get up in your face and make you block for a very, very long time - and he can open you up very easily off of it. Buu is roughly 2x stronger than he is! (Gohan-Vegeta),while the other remain the same (Goku)...that's anything but logical, 2. It was never stated exactly how much power Cell was using. Gotenks and Gogeta fused into Vegito Attacks. I dont see that happen. He, like Gogeta, is summoned out of desperation to defeat powerful enemies. His personality is just the same however like Vegeta his arrogance is his weakness. Battles. 1. Those skirts would get wrecked. Gogeta absolutely destroys him. re: Gogeta (Movie 12) Vs Buutenks IMO, SSJ Gotenks ~= Fat Boo, SSJ3 Gotenks ~= Super Boo. It was only a few hundreds separating Raditz and Piccolo. Talk to Bulma about the Dragon radar. Again, looking at easily Gogeta outmatched Janemba, I can't picture Buu beating him, unless you think that Buu has Janemba unbelievably outclassed as well, but then how was Goku able to survive against him? Gotenks is a fusion taught to Goten and Trunks by Goku, and is later trained by Piccolo. It isn't non canon, it's two separate universes. That is a flatout lie. @reaverlation: and that has no relevance to what I'm saying, I'm saying that by the time goku and vegeta fused, they were equals, What you said literally does nothing to counter that, if anything, it supports it. Goten and Trunks were both weaker than Vegeta. He is able to make powerful transformations such as Super Saiyan 3, enormously boosting his power level. There are no official power levels after the Freeza arc, so we don't know how it would be translated into battle powers. It's important to note that both fusions are restricted by time: As previously mentioned, Vegito by an hour and Gogeta by 30 minutes. Remember how Gogeta always says “I am neither Goku nor Vegeta?” He sees himself as a separate being altogether, so he probably doesn’t consider himself the father of the Saiyans’ children. They were the exact same power level by the time they fused. See more ideas about Dragon ball, Dragon ball z, Gogeta and vegito. Janemba and Buutenks are similar enough, SSJ3 Goku was able to survive against them both for a little while between his agility and tenacity, but ultimately he was clearly outmatched by them both. @dbzk1999: Your point? Them being equal at base is highly debatable thou. Gotenks is one of two fusions performed through the use of the Fusion Dance technique. And what makes you think that? Raditz was at 1500. It isn't just Goku plus Vegeta, their powers are increased exponentially, and the fact that they're rivals and capable of filling in each other's gaps like yin and yang only serves to enhance that further. So basically. This would mean that Buutenks and Janemba are somewhat similar, although I do give Buu the edge because he seemed to have Goku slightly more outmatched. However, considering Gogeta was powerful enough to give Janemba one of the most firm stompings in the entire series, which is saying a lot, I think that more than makes up. He'll speed blitz him as easily as he did to Janemba. Super Janemba was down right wrecking SSJ3 Goku. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. So l assume, Cell had to have been using around 40-60% of power in his fights with Goku and Vegeta. While with Buutenks, it was several millions. My example did not include Goku. And even if Goku Merging with Vegeta did more than double his power, he's still not beating Buu. Even after powering up twice. They were sperated by 1092. I specifically mentioned Piccolo because he was able to kill Raditz with his SPC despite the 3x power gap. @spidey_jackson: What's stopping him from doing what he did to Janemba? Gogeta does not fuck around. Gogeta would probably see himself as having authority over Gotenks by default, and Gotenks would probably see Gogeta as his cool-as-fuck dad. @dbzk1999: But Vegeta can't achievs SSJ3. It is also worth mentioning that Gohan overpowered Buu's galactic donut and broke free. Raditz was 3x stronger than Piccolo, and he was still killed by the SPC. It's true that Gogeta wouldn't think of himself as father of Goten and Trunks, and same for Gotenks... but I think Gogeta and Gotenks would see themselves as family: it's subtly different because then they're both fusees. Gogeta laid the smack down on Jenemba. @reaverlation: that has any relevance to what I'm saying because? Again, Goku by himself was able to survive against both Buutenks and Janemba, although ultimately they each had him outmatched. So adding Gotenks(And while bullcrap, is arguably stronger than Super Buu) and Piccolo is just too much for the fused Saiyans. Piccolo was at 408. This means that Gogeta is still > Buutenks. Gogeta refers to himself in the plural (he says "us" and "we") so I think they'd refer to each other as "fathers" and "sons.". I just made an explanation for why I think Gogeta is more powerful based on how they each perform against other characters, and your counter was just stating that Buu is more powerful. While Gotenks (fusion of Goten and Trunks) is undoubtedly the most entertaining character born out of the technique, Goku and Vegeta's fusion (Gogeta or Vegito) is looked forward to the most. He met his end at the hands of Gokod a Super Saiyan 6. I just took a look at the Fusion Reborn fights, and I definitely think Gogeta would win. I think they do in one of the games, could be wrong though. Gogeta was way WAY stronger than Janemba. That he kept the majin power up? While Goten and Trunks may recognise Gogeta as being born from their dads and Goku and Vegeta recognising Gotenks as being born from their sons, I don't think that … Because fusion dance is based on the weakest fighter, 2. All we know is that Buutenks was stronger. At least IMO. Gogeta (ssj4) : In Vegeta's DU instead of fighting Kid Buu go find Goku who is … Gogeta.The only Buu who could beat SSJ Gogeta is Gohan Buu. So even his strongest attacks won't be able to cause Buu serious harm. And since Goku at Max was a child to Buu, he would need to fuse with someone equal to him in power to stand a chance. However, considering Gogeta gave Janemba one of the most firm stompings in the entire series, that should definitely make up. Gogeta and Gotenks are their own entities that are made from, but are equally separate from their fusees. And Cell was only at about 60% of power when he faced off against Vegeta and Goku. Tier: At least High 4-C, 4-B as a Super Saiyan | 4-B | 4-B. His Potara counterpart is Vegetto. It was only a few hundreds separating Raditz and Piccolo. Powers and Stats. Gogeta (ssj2) : After beating Broly In Dragon Universe Mode, Defeat Gotenks At The World Tournament Arena. However, Gogeta's vest has a different color scheme than Gotenks'. Gogeta found 2 Star Dragon Ball Janemba's Fury. Vegeta even admits it. Hmm. That's why OPs should always specify whether we're using anime or manga versions, but since this thread revolves around an anime-exclusive character (Gogeta) obviously we need to go by the anime. If fusion just adds power levels, then Gotenks at SSJ2 wouldn't come close to Vegeta at SSJ2, yet Gotenks was expected to beat Fat Buu at SSJ1. In Gotenks' case, his enemy was Majin Buu and later in the saga, he is to be used by Majin Buu as his main power source where Gotenks is absorbed heartlessly. He thinks he is in total control, and has everything … His size however, is greatly made up for by his power. Not necessarily. Summary. Gogeta Ssj >>>Janemba>Goku Ssj3...yeah,nothing that Gotenks Ssj2 couldn't achieve (Gotenks Ssj post RoSaT would fair a lot better than Ssj3 Goku,i dare to say even take some hard wins) If you like the Dragon Ball Series and like the fusions than this is then page for you! New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! Only Ssj Gogeta?no Ssj2 or Ssj3?then i don't see him beating even SuperBoo who is inferior to BooGotenks. Future Gohanks wears the same clothes all Metamorans and other fusion characters were seen wearing, a dark blue and yellow vest. Goten and Trunks fuses into Gogeta and defeats Janemba, saving all Universe Mystic Buu Lives. I see that the difference between Gogeta and Gotenks is proportionally the same that between Vegeta and Goten (the weakest in both fusions),and while i have no doubt that Vegeta is stronger than Goten,it's not by a huge margin (and i mean with this 5x or 10x). Around his waist is a teal sash, and he wears white silky pants, dark shoes with teal wraps, and black wristbands. At first glance, this appears to give Vegito the advantage, but the Potara fusion is also limited by energy consumption. Super Buu at base form was far stronger than Full Power Goku. @dbzk1999: The relevance is that Vegeta needed the charm to close the gap. Flame. Gogeta and Gotenks are their own entities that are made from, but are equally separate from their fusees. Although it’s worth noting that canon Gogeta refers to himself as “we,” implying that instead of being one individual with his own mind, it’s more like two people in perfect synch with each other. There you will fuse with SS4 Vegeta and get the SS4 Gogeta capsule. Also, Gegeta=Vegito, who easily wrecked a stronger Buuhan. The padding around the neck and shoulders of the vest is reddish orange rather than yellow, and the rest is either a very dark blue or a dark gray. Gotenks would for sure, he would probably call them Dads or something. Cell was also pretty heavily damaged by Goku's IT Kamehameha and Vegeta's Final Flash, both whom were considerably weaker. Because Goku is.Vegeta needed the Majin Charm to close the gap in their power. He fought against the Z-Fighters including Vegito and Gokod. Well the difference in power between Goku and Raditz wasn't that big compared to Gogeta VS Buutenks. Proof of what? What about Vegito, would that be different? There's no possible way Gogeta could stand a chance. I feel he would logically equal a hypothetical goku-gohan fusion dance(gokhan) who's ssj form is implied to be above buutenks, @parallax_hal_jordan: I hope you know that janemba wasnt at his full power against goku, this is shown when he powers up when gogeta appears (doesn't change anything, but still), "Gogeta Ssj >>>Janemba>Goku Ssj3...yeah,nothing that Gotenks Ssj2 couldn't achieve (Gotenks Ssj post RoSaT would fair a lot better than Ssj3 Goku,i dare to say even take some hard wins)". So essentially 2 people considerably more powerful than Goku, plus Piccolo, morph. Hmm. 1 Overview 2 Forms 2.1 Evil Super Saiyan 4 2.2 Gray Great Ape 3 Techniques 4 Fights 5 Kill Count Evil Gogeta is the Evil Counterpart of Gogeta. If goku and vegeta are ssj, they're equal, If goku and vegeta were ssj2, they'd be equal, If vegeta had ssj3 and fought ssj3 goku, they'd still be equal, The power of the transformations multiplies the base of the saiyan, If the two are equal in base, they're ssj forms would multiply them by the same number and they'd still be equal. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. He's still stronger than Vegeta! @spidey_jackson: yes technically speaking, they were exact same power level, Base goku = base vegeta (which him and goku fused as), The only difference is that goku has another transformation. Also guys when the Kai said the potara being stronger he was talking about the time limit. So i doubt the fusion did more than double Goku's power. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Future Gohanks retains Future Trunks' skin tone an… @spidey_jackson: I don't see why you don't believe that. Vegeta kept the power from the majin potential unlock. This article is a disambiguation page for Gogeta (disambiguation) The following is a list of cards of the same character or of multiple characters with a specific affinity. Buu's Power level is much higher than Gogeta's. And going by the rest of the series, i don't think it's uncommon for me to assume Goku is stronger at base strength. Hmmmm. Gogeta (ゴジータ, Gojīta) is a Saiyan from the 7th Universe, created via the Metamoran art of Fusion. Wasn't Gokhan base form (not Ssj) the one implied to be stronger than Bootenks?i remember Ro Kaio Shin saying that "he would not need the Ssj anyway" or something around those lines (it was the pothara union anyway,see point 3). The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Probably not. Goku only surpasses Vegeta with SSJ3. And no he was not talking about the time limit. Xeno Gotenks appearance differs from his counterpart, although he wears the same brown gloves and black shirt, he is also seen wearing the same Time Patrol boots that both fusees wear, appearing with black pants and a blue petticoat. Oct 7, 2020 - Explore Stacey Green's board "Vegito Gogeta and Gotenks", followed by 499 people on Pinterest. He, along with Gogeta, the fighter created by Goku and Vegeta using the Fusion Dance, were summoned out of desperation to defeat powerful enemies. His hair is a combination of Future Gohan's black hair covering most of his head, with two lilac bangs that comes from Future Trunks' hair. If your logic were true, then Gotenks is merely double Goten's power, which we know is completely false. @dbzk1999: ...Because of the Majin Charm. Gogeta vs gotanks. Sound logic, but you're not taking into account the boost granted by fusion itself. Not 1500. He is one of the fusions performed through the use of the Fusion Dance technique. Gotenks is considered one of the most powerful individuals in the Dragon Ball history, and is the youngest of all fusions. 1 Match Dialogues 1.1 Sparking 1.2 Team Dialogues 1.3 Match Reset 1.4 Shenron 2 Miscellaneous Dialogues 2.1 Character Selection 2.2 Intro 2.3 Victory 2.4 Results Screen 3 Navigation An asterisk (*) detonates that character has two different lines. Please select one of the cards below or search to find the card you were looking for if it is not listed. Xeno Gotenks vest is black and he also uses Xeno Trunks' sword locked around the chest by a belt. Gogeta was created in a desperate bid by Son Gokū and Vegeta to defeat a rampaging Broly. Gotenks has a quite cocky and rebellious personality. Raditz's was power level was 1200. "SuperBoo would one-shot Goku Ssj3,so the claims that Janemba is at that level are ludicrous", 1.Why would Ssj Gogeta be "logically equal" to Ssj Gokhan?Isn't one of their component obscenely stronger than the other? Probably not. 2.9K likes. They fool around and cant take a fight seriously. Appearance Gogeta wears the same clothes that all creations of the Fusion Dance wear. He likes to do things his own way and has been told more than once that he acts more like Vegeta than anyone else. That is nothing. It is sated by old Kai that Potara is stronger than the fusion Dance. Gogeta arrives with Baba from Other World The Fusion of Gogeta and Gotenks. Gogeta effortlessly stomped Janemba. The fusees need to perform a special type of pose, then connect their index fingers evenly to produce a perfect fusion. Defeat Omega as SS4 Gogeta to get his capsule. Vegito is cool in his own right and we don’t deny his fancy earrings, but come on, take a look at the truly supreme being: That sick jacket (which only appears on those who successfully pulled off the fusion dance, by the way) that extra spiky hair, and that stoic look. @spidey_jackson: no it's not, heck, BoG flat out rejects that notion, Goku only achieved ssj3 because he was in other world, I hope people know the fight between Goku and Buutenks was filler and non canon.In an actual fight,Goku would've been one shotted by accident by Buutenks. Vegeta is considerably weaker than Goku. It's pretty obvious that gap was in the millions. If their base is equal, they'd equal in the same form. Head to Central City. Goku could obtain SSJ3, Vegeta could not. Because he is? discord.gg/dbz, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Maybe the fact that the charm itself and the boost were two seperate actions, Babidi just decided "while I'm controlling him, might as well unlock some of his potential also", Saying vegeta lost that potential unlock is like saying gohan lost his after he died. Vegito transformed straight away against Buuhan, which implies that he couldn't have fought him Base. Okay, so this isn’t exactly a reason why Gogeta is stronger than Vegito, but it should be. Yes,but he intended to fight him only in Ssj?nothing suggest this.The fact that Gotenks could go Ssj3 while on their own (Goten and Trunks) could only achieve Ssj is a strong hint that Gogeta can easily go Ssj3 also. So he was about 796 pts stronger. While with Buutenks, it was several millions. And what's wrong with filler? @akin: Well the difference in power between Goku and Raditz wasn't that big compared to Gogeta VS Buutenks. That's what it means to be a true Saiyan!!". That is all baseless speculation. I'd say Buutenks, in a utter stomp. So,let's say that Vegeta is 3x Goten..then Gogeta will be 3x Gotenks (not enough to beat even SuperBoo).You can say more,but 8x? Sorry. That's clear for anyone to see. Burning Attack. He did not kill Raditz. Gotenks is very young, but powerful, and is very playful and an extreme procrastinator. Context: after Goku and Vegeta fight for a while, Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even, Context: after Boo seems to be dead on arrival, Kaioshin: “Goku and Vegeta are probably having a roughly even fight…”. Vegito comments that he did not expect his power to be that much greater than Buuhan's and was surprised that he was dominating him as much as he was. 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